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	<description>Ramblings about Politics, Economics, and Writing</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Two Great Books Are Out Today by scbutler</title>
		<link>http://valingstoneways.com/blog/2010/04/13/two-great-books-are-out-today/#comment-377</link>
		<dc:creator>scbutler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohmygod!  Four!

Though there's never anything here that isn't already on my LJ.

S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohmygod!  Four!</p>
<p>Though there&#8217;s never anything here that isn&#8217;t already on my LJ.</p>
<p>S</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two Great Books Are Out Today by NewGuyDave</title>
		<link>http://valingstoneways.com/blog/2010/04/13/two-great-books-are-out-today/#comment-375</link>
		<dc:creator>NewGuyDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I read this too. Though, I don't always comment. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I read this too. Though, I don&#8217;t always comment. lol</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two Great Books Are Out Today by Ian</title>
		<link>http://valingstoneways.com/blog/2010/04/13/two-great-books-are-out-today/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Andrew leaves us both in the dust.  I guess he would be the prince, which makes you the duke, perhaps.  

I'll leave the inevitable court jester joke up to you, since it is your blog, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Andrew leaves us both in the dust.  I guess he would be the prince, which makes you the duke, perhaps.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave the inevitable court jester joke up to you, since it is your blog, after all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two Great Books Are Out Today by scbutler</title>
		<link>http://valingstoneways.com/blog/2010/04/13/two-great-books-are-out-today/#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>scbutler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, a prince of the three people who read this blog.  You, me, and Andrew Ahn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a prince of the three people who read this blog.  You, me, and Andrew Ahn.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two Great Books Are Out Today by Ian</title>
		<link>http://valingstoneways.com/blog/2010/04/13/two-great-books-are-out-today/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You, sir, are a prince among men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You, sir, are a prince among men.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sam-Who-Likes-Some-Things - The City and the City by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://valingstoneways.com/blog/2010/03/22/sam-who-likes-some-things-the-city-and-the-city/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you're really going to get me in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you&#8217;re really going to get me in trouble.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sam-Who-Likes-Some-Things - The City and the City by Ian</title>
		<link>http://valingstoneways.com/blog/2010/03/22/sam-who-likes-some-things-the-city-and-the-city/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes, the Clever Boys. 

I do agree with you, too, that the ending might have been a bit pat.  I didn't even anticipate it, but then I'm a sucker and rarely do.  

How dare you criticize the Teabaggers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes, the Clever Boys. </p>
<p>I do agree with you, too, that the ending might have been a bit pat.  I didn&#8217;t even anticipate it, but then I&#8217;m a sucker and rarely do.  </p>
<p>How dare you criticize the Teabaggers?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sam-Who-Likes-Some-Things - The City and the City by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://valingstoneways.com/blog/2010/03/22/sam-who-likes-some-things-the-city-and-the-city/#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ultimately liked the book more than I didn't too - that's why it ended up in the Some Things rather than the Nothing column.  But the premise really annoyed me.  It was just too clever.  You might remember someone once referring to Mieville in both of our presences once as one of the Clever Boys.

But I wish I could write like him.  Excellent POV.  Excellent story, especially through the middle of the book.  Though the ending might have been a little pat.  When I guessed it halfway through the story, I figured there was no way Mieville would settle for it.

You're absolutely right about economic models.  And as for the current national dialog, I was all but flamed on someone's LJ yesterday for suggesting the Tea Party was not deserving of respect because they show no respect for anyone else.  (The blogger's point was that they deserved respect for simply being involved, though he claimed not to agree with what they stand for.)

Rationality is in the eye of the beholder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ultimately liked the book more than I didn&#8217;t too - that&#8217;s why it ended up in the Some Things rather than the Nothing column.  But the premise really annoyed me.  It was just too clever.  You might remember someone once referring to Mieville in both of our presences once as one of the Clever Boys.</p>
<p>But I wish I could write like him.  Excellent POV.  Excellent story, especially through the middle of the book.  Though the ending might have been a little pat.  When I guessed it halfway through the story, I figured there was no way Mieville would settle for it.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right about economic models.  And as for the current national dialog, I was all but flamed on someone&#8217;s LJ yesterday for suggesting the Tea Party was not deserving of respect because they show no respect for anyone else.  (The blogger&#8217;s point was that they deserved respect for simply being involved, though he claimed not to agree with what they stand for.)</p>
<p>Rationality is in the eye of the beholder.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sam-Who-Likes-Some-Things - The City and the City by Ian</title>
		<link>http://valingstoneways.com/blog/2010/03/22/sam-who-likes-some-things-the-city-and-the-city/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The premise didn't bother me that much-- I did have my wobbly moments with it, though, and could see where Mieville was skating &lt;i&gt;really fast&lt;/i&gt; past the thinner stretches of ice.  Alzheimer's patients and dogs are good points; I hadn't thought of those.  I started to wobble when I thought about, say, plumbing problems in a cross-hatched building.  How do you call the plumber to fix a leak if you're not allowed to know there is a leak ten feet down the pipe?

Also, I don't believe vehicular traffic would EVER work.  But what the hey.

I admired the discipline with which he adhered to the ultra-tight 1st person POV.  So tightly, in fact, that I was well into the book before I knew for certain whether the cross-hatching was mundane or metaphysical.  It's really unclear at first, but I liked that.  

As for whether people would actually act this way... Well, I've always rejected as absurd any economic model that relies upon people acting rationally.  :-)  Just look at the national dialog going on in our country right now-- there are millions and millions of people for whom reality and rationality are utterly inconsequential.  I do believe that there are people who would try to live as depicted in The City and the City if they could.  (Although getting the whole system off the ground to begin with would be impossible.)

It felt like the book starts to indicate that this is a magical universe, however slightly, but then backs away from that later.  That bothered me.  For instance, with Breach: those guys are &lt;i&gt;totally&lt;/i&gt; set up to be shadowy almost-magical ninjas.  But later we find...

That said, in spite of the things that bothered me, I liked this book, and I find a lot to admire in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The premise didn&#8217;t bother me that much&#8211; I did have my wobbly moments with it, though, and could see where Mieville was skating <i>really fast</i> past the thinner stretches of ice.  Alzheimer&#8217;s patients and dogs are good points; I hadn&#8217;t thought of those.  I started to wobble when I thought about, say, plumbing problems in a cross-hatched building.  How do you call the plumber to fix a leak if you&#8217;re not allowed to know there is a leak ten feet down the pipe?</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t believe vehicular traffic would EVER work.  But what the hey.</p>
<p>I admired the discipline with which he adhered to the ultra-tight 1st person POV.  So tightly, in fact, that I was well into the book before I knew for certain whether the cross-hatching was mundane or metaphysical.  It&#8217;s really unclear at first, but I liked that.  </p>
<p>As for whether people would actually act this way&#8230; Well, I&#8217;ve always rejected as absurd any economic model that relies upon people acting rationally.  :-)  Just look at the national dialog going on in our country right now&#8211; there are millions and millions of people for whom reality and rationality are utterly inconsequential.  I do believe that there are people who would try to live as depicted in The City and the City if they could.  (Although getting the whole system off the ground to begin with would be impossible.)</p>
<p>It felt like the book starts to indicate that this is a magical universe, however slightly, but then backs away from that later.  That bothered me.  For instance, with Breach: those guys are <i>totally</i> set up to be shadowy almost-magical ninjas.  But later we find&#8230;</p>
<p>That said, in spite of the things that bothered me, I liked this book, and I find a lot to admire in it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Boskone? by Administrator</title>
		<link>http://valingstoneways.com/blog/2010/02/16/boskone/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm afraid my neighborhood is starting to fade.  Though we still have some great choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid my neighborhood is starting to fade.  Though we still have some great choices.</p>
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